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after the drug expires at the end of this month. from a bureaucracy perspective, that makes sense. hey, got to hurry, we can't use this stuff to kill anyone after april, so let's kill everyone in april then. let's kill them all now. from the perspective of one of the people who's going to be killed, though, you can see how that might seem like a fairly random factor, deciding whether you are going to live or die, right? if the state didn't have this expiration date thing going on on that one drug they didn't notice before, they'd be no chance that all of these guys would be on deck to be killed all at once. but that's the reason they're trying to kill them all right now. stephen breyer is a moderate liberal justice on the supreme court but he's decided to make a real hollering legacy out of his time on the court by dissenting, and dissenting and dissenting again when it comes to the
vagaries and strangeness and bias in our nation's system of killing men and women who are prisoners. so, that's where we were as of last night. arkansas wanted to kill eight men over the course of ten days. they wanted to have already killed four of them by this time tonight. but over the course of this week, three of their four planned killings got blocked by the courts. and then last night as the u.s. supreme court weighed in on the fate of the fourth man, at the very last minute last night, a few landmarks were reached. number one, the new justice, neil gorsuch, voted to kill his first man. he voted to kill and it was a deciding vote and that was his first significant vote on the united states supreme court. number two, justice stephen breyer dissented again, short, sharp and to the point. it was less than two pages. it's pretty remarkable stuff, very straightforward, not
particularly legalistic argument pep just puts it out there. justice breyer, quote, arkansas set out to execute eight people over the course of 11 days. why these eight? why now? the apparent reason has nothing to do with the crimes or are presence of absence of mitigating behavior or mental state. it has nothing to do with the need for speedy punishment. four of the men have been on death row for over 20 years. all have been housed in solitary confinement for at least ten years. apparently the reason the state decided to proceed with these eight executions is the use by date on the state's execution drug is about to expire. the justice continues, quote, in my view, that factor when considered as a determining factor separating those who live from those who die, that factor is close to random. he says, i have previously noted
the ash arbitrariness with which executions are carried out in this country. it runs con temporary to the very purpose of a rule of law. so, stephen breyer dissents. basically saying it's one thing to have a fight about whether or not killing prisoners is something a state should do, but the way we're doing it, the actual decisions about whether these guys are going to live or die tonight, it's basically random now. it's arbitrary. under the constitution, that is illegal. but justice breyer's opinion was a dissent. his side lost. the neil gorsuch side won. and arkansas went ahead with one of the four killings they wanted to accomplish this week. the death warrant to kill ledell lee expired at midnight central time. less than an hour before that
warrant expired. the united states supreme court voted 5-4 to kill him. by 11:26 it was announced to the people at the prison. 18 minutes later they started injecting lee. and by 11:56 they had said he was dead. so, that's important, that timing there. just made it. the warrant that made it legal to kill him expired four minutes after they said he died. now, arkansas still wants to kill all the other prisoners that it can next week, before the expiration date on one of their drugs makes the rest of those executions illegal, too, so they're hurrying. one of the things we'll be watching in the news this weekend is the continuing legal wrangle is see how many more of these guys they are going to kill. the pace of executions, the speediness of the process of killing people, how many people get to try to fight off the
state to save their lives, how many times they can go back to the court and bring in new evidence or make new arguments or show new angles on what happened to them. the time a person gets is one of the things that gets fought about all the time in death penalty states. in september, we reported on one of those fights that had taken an unexpected turn into presidential politics and ultimately into scandal. it started in 2013. republican politicians were -- the governor and state attorney general were trying to hurry up the pace of executions in that state. florida already kills a ton of their prisoners, but the state's governor, rick scott, the state's attorney general, pam bonedy, both republicans, they were crusading in 2013 to start killing more of that state's prisoners faster. rick scott had, in fact, signed a bill to make executions go faster in that state. pam bundy as attorney general
was busy in court defining that new law. kill florida prisoners faster. we need to speed this up. we need to speed them through system. we need the pace of executions to be faster. that's what was going on in florida around politics of death penalty in 2013. and that's why it was weird in september 2013 when pam bondi suddenly reversed course. there was a man who was scheduled to be killed on september 10, 2013. his name was marshall gore. his execution was on the calendar. they basically thought they were good to go in this one. but in that case, that september 10th execution, attorney general actually intervened with the state to slow it down. she asked the state to please delay that execution, push it back, slow this thing down. she had her reasons. >> marshall gore was convicted for the murders of two florida women in 1988. he was scheduled to be executed tonight in about half an hour but bondi's campaign fund-raiser
took priority. marshall lee gore was supposed to be executed at 6:00 p.m. tonight after convicted of killing two women in 1988 but attorney general pam bondi asked rick scott to delay the execution for three weeks because she had a conflicting event on her schedule. it turns out that event is a political fund-raiser. >> and again, maybe from the perspective of the attorney general, from the politician's perspective, maybe that makes perfect sense. you know, you really don't want to move your fund-raiser so move the execution instead. maybe that makes total sense to you as the politician, but just as stephen breyer might point out, from the perspective of the guy who will either be alive tomorrow or dead tomorrow, based on the actions of the state, to that guy, the date of pam bondi's fund-raiser is an arbitrary factor in deciding whether he's going to live or die. but fund-raising was very, very
important to attorney general pam bondi. she was very good at it. she paid it a lot of attention. maybe a little too much attention. hard to say. here is where it veered into presidential politics because of what happened over the course of the following week after all that happened. that execution that was delayed so pam bondi could hold her fund-raiser in peace, that happened on september 10th. there was a lot of attention in the florida press. there was even national attention about what lengths pam bondi would go to to fund raise. how important fund-raising was to her. at the time, i got to tell you, she was running unopposed but still fund-raising was that important to her. coverage of that -- around that execution date, september 10th. then three days later, an item that was considerably lower profile, except to the people who really cared about this subject, ran in the orlando sentinel. this was september 13th. "orlando sentinel," new york's
trump university suit draws attention from florida officials,. quote, complaints filed in florida were among those cited by new york attorney general eric schneiderman last month when he sued trump and trump university and the trump entrepreneurship initiative alleging civil fraud. the new york suit accuses trump of making false claims to lure people into spending thousands of dollars on questionable courses and mentoring services 37 trump has denied the allegations and described the suit as frivolous, but now, but now florida attorney general pam bondi's office is reviewing the lawsuits to determine whether florida should join the multistate case. so this is trump university fraud case. this is the one that trump settled by paying out $25 million to people who said he defrauded them in that scheme. this did not end well for him. but in 2013 that lawsuit against
him was just getting started. those cases were just being filed in new york, maybe in florida, too. a lot of the complaints from that case were out of florida. and pam bondi was reported to be weighing whether or not florida as a state should join that lawsuit against trump over trump university. pam bondi was also reported that same week to be so inhumanly devoted to raising campaign funds that she rescheduled a man's death to accommodate her fund-raising. but four days after that article about the trump university lawsuit and pam bondi considering whether or not florida should join it, four days after that article ran in the orlando sentinel, this check was sent to pam bondi's god-blessed re-election campaign. it was sent, as can you see, from the donald j. trump foundation. they didn't exactly spell this out in the memo line, but in invisible ink it basically says
you're considering bringing the considerable heft of the state of florida into the lawsuit. would you also like to consider this $25,000 check to your re-election campaign from the donald j. trump foundation signed personally by donald j. trump. this is one of the single biggest donations pam bondi got in that whole campaign cycle. sure enough, a few weeks later, voila, pam bondi's office announced they would not have florida join that fraud suit against trump university. it was very tidy. very tidy little timeline. compared to a lot of other important things that get decided by politicians, even life or death things, this seems very tied y right? this seems not at all random. this seems not at all arbitrary. this seems direct. but wait, it keeps going. because, first, that story made news, right, because they were
delaying an execution, which didn't make sense on the surface for republican politicians who were crusading to kill more prisoners faster, faster, faster, that they would want to slow one down. then it made news because they found out the reason for the delay was pam bondi had a fund-raiser. then that story made news after that because pam bondi took in one of the biggest donations to her campaign that year from someone who her office later made a decision not to sue. then that story made news again because that person she decided not to sue after taking his check went on to run for president. then that story made news during the presidential campaign because it turns out that check from the donald j. foundation, yeah, turns out, thank you, david fahrenthold, winner of the pulitzer prize, it's illegal for trump's foundation to cut a check like that to the political campaign. the irs quality him for it. he had to pay it back and pay a fine. so, this story has made news a million different times for a million different reasons.
but it keeps giving. because now 3 1/2 years after pam bondi took that donation from trump and then announced she would not sue donald trump, now donald trump, just hired her chief of staff from that time, who was involved in that whole scandal, who was included in all those discussions and decisions around the trump university case. trump as president just hired him, just hired that guy, to be the top lawyer in the united states department of education. because, i don't know, maybe he remembers him from the trump university thing. that was a school, right? here's the announcement from the white house. about him. here's the slack-jawed ap lead in their story about it. quote, as a top aide to florida's attorney general, carlos muniz helped defend the office's decision to sit out legal action against trump university. now the president is naming him
to be the top lawyer in the u.s. education department. ap reported last year that pam bondi personally solicited a $25,000 political contribution from trump as her office was weighing how to respond to questions from the orlando sentinel about whether she would join new york's attorney general in suing trump. e-mails from 2013 obtained under florida's public records law show that carlos muniz did help direct bondi's public defense on this issue. including an october 2013 fact sheet districted to reporters. so, just -- just a tidy this up, just to nest all the dolls properly here. politician publicly reported to consider suing over the trump university scam. trump sends fat check, illegal, but, quhaefr, sends fat check. politician then says, oh, upon further review, i think i'm not suing over the trump university scam. politician defends that stunning decision, stunning even at the
time. that stunning decision with a pr offer addition pr effort run out of her office, including talking points for reporters prepared by her chief of staff. and then chief of staff gets awesome new job from trump. as the top lawyer in the department of education. because i -- honestly, keyword university, is that where they filed him? also maybe some payback? so, that's a senate confirmable decision, by the way. we'll see if that becomes an issue in the senate when they try to confirm him. but, you know, there's a lot going on right now in national politics and in politics around the nation. arkansas is still trying to race through killing as many of those prisoners as it can. by the time we're back on the air doing our monday night show here, arkansas wants to have killed two more of them by then. legal fights over those killings continue right now as we speak.
they will likely continue through the weekend if you watch that story. we're also still waiting for any plausible explanation about this new incredible reporting from the miami herald, whose reporters discovered the fact that the president apparently took a secret meeting at mar-a-lago with two former presidents of the nation of colombia. two former presidents of the nation of colombia who are lobbying against the peace deal pending in that country to try to end the world's longest war. this is obviously a super sensitive and complicated subject. the united states of america taking a position on that will be super important to how that works out. if our president is taking meetings with former presidents of colombia trying to scrap that peace deal, that's a really big deal in diplomacy. that's a really big deal in foreign policy. it's unusual meetings like that would be happening outside the purview of the u.s. state department, which is supposed to
handle these things and be strategic about these things and be careful about these things on behalf of the people of the united states. it's weird that it would be happening totally outside the purview of the state department, let alone the fact it's happening at a golf club. the white house explanation for this meeting is that -- yeah, it happened but it was really nothing. the white house statement basically said that the former presidents of colombia were just there at mar-a-lago with a member club. it was just a quick hello. the former colombian presidents are now making public statements. they're publicly thanking president trump for the cordial and very frank discussion he had with them about colombia and the region. a conversation they really did get to have with the president of the united states, admittedly because someone paid the president of the united states $200,000 to get into his club. $200,000 minimum.
as the herald puts it, quote, the undisclosed meeting also raises a number of questions of the ease with which the people can influence trump with access through membership of his club without fear of public disclosure. a mar-a-lago membership costs $200,000 for the initiation alone. so, there's a lot going on, right? there's normal and sometimes terrible politics in the states and in the capital. we got word today that, quick, before the end of the first 100 days next week they're going to apparently try to repeal obamacare again. they're also, quick, going to try to totally overhaul the tax code. quick, an artificial measuring stick is upon us. do something. there's new news from the trump/russia investigations tonight and from the justice department where the person overseeing those investigations at doj is leaving her post now. there's a lot going on. there's a lot to notice. but we are still going to need this country when these guys are done with it, right?
and for the sake of who we ever want to be again, it can't ever not be news. it always has to be news. when something really looks like bribery at the top levels of american government. when something really looks like bag cash under the table corruption. when it really looks like you pay money, you get access to the president. when it really looks like public officials are taking money in exchange for their official actions and then getting thanked and rewarded for it down the road. when that stops smelling bad to us, when corruption doesn't seem like news anymore, then we do consign ourselves and the generations after us to the kind of corruption we really have never tolerated before. not at this level of our national politics. and so that end we've got lined up next the biggest potential target of opportunity in terms of bribery that anybody has yet
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work. they tracked down exactly what that potentially means in terms of the presidency and his business interests going forward. nobody had figured this out before. before "usa today" did the incredible legwork necessary to tell this tale, we didn't know this nfrgs. here's their lead. quote, "usa today" spent four months cataloging every property trump companies own across the country. trump has never disclosed a complete unit by unit inventory of his company's real estate holdings or sales nor is he required to do so by federal law. and they're being modest about this. what that means is "usa today" their reporters had to build this list unit by unit, city by city across the country from scratch on their own with nothing to build on in terms of public disclosures. what did they find? well, quote, reporters found trump and his trust own at least 4 2 luxury condos and penthouses
from new york city to las vegas, 12 mansion lots on bluffs overlooking his golf course on the pacific ocean and dozens more smaller pieces of real estate. the properties range in value from $200,000 to $35 million each. profits from selling individual properties directly owned by his companies, those properties enrich him personally. and that's important because now he's president and those properties are for sale. you could buy one and, thereby, pay the president, well, anything you think he might want to be paid. quote, the volume of real estate creates an extraordinary and unprecedented potential for people, corporations or foreign interests to try and influence a president. anyone who wanted to court favor with the president could snap up multiple properties or purposefully overpay. they could also buy in the name of a shell company making it impossible for the public to
know who was behind the sales. even if the administration has decided it's okay for the president to keep all his business interests going while he's still president, everybody agrees that because of the clear language in the institution about this, he really can't take any money from foreign governments or foreign officials. the problem is, thanks to these real estate holdings, these apartments and condos and lots and whatever he's got for sale, that may very well already be happening. this "usa today" investigation finds that roughly half the sales he has made since becoming president, they weren't named people you can check out to make sure they're not foreign officials or foreign governments. they were to llcs, which are a common real estate thing to hide the identity of the person who's actually making the purchase. quote, "usa today's" review of sales of trump-owd realate found dozens of transactions during and since the campaign involving buyers who have business or connections with foreign countries, or they were
shielded by purchasing under the name of an llc. now, so far "usa today" says none of the sales they reviewed appear to be above market value, but imagine someone wanting to pad the price a little bit to pay the president a little bit. because it's nice for the president to owe you a favor or at least to think kindly about your interests because you once slipped him a few dollars or a few million dollars. remember the russian pot hash, fertilizer king, he bought that mansion from donald trump in palm beach. donald trump got this mansion in palm beach in 2006 for just over $40 million. he barely touched it. he never moved in. a couple years later he sold it to the fertilizer king, the russian oligarch guy. for $100 million. donald trump made a $60 million profit off that house for basically doing nothing.
which is nice work if you can get it. and if you took $60 million off someone in a sweet transaction like, that you might reasonably be thankful to that person for all that free money, but when the fertilizer king palm beach mansion thing happened, donald trump wasn't president. now he is. and right now his many properties are yours to buy if you would like to give him money for any reason. hold that thought. stay with us.
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republican congressman jason chaffetz of utah we wildered people, made national news when he said he not only won't seek re-election to his seat in congress, he might resign now. why the rush, mr. chairman? what changed? what's going on? but while everybody's trying to figure that out, why he might be leaving and why a rush and what it means for his seat in utah, including the democrat who's raising all that money hand over fist to run against him, catherine allen, while all that has been unfolding this week, congressman chaffetz may news today for the day job he continues to hold for the minute, which is an important job. he's chairman of the house oversight committee in the house. house oversight committee in the house. nice, well done. house oversight committee, period.
today in his role as chairman of that committee jason chaffetz signed onto this letter. a letter to trump's lawyer. it seeks documents relating to a supposed plan from the trump folks they said they would pay the u.s. treasury back for any money that his hotels made from foreign government officials staying at his hotels while he's president. it might seem like an obscure financial piece of the puzzle, but in the constitution bluntly the president is prohibited from accepting money from foreign officials. if foreign officials are staying at his hotels, well, that's part of the constitutional problem with the president holding onto his businesses and continuing to financially benefit from them while he is still president. so, this letter today from the oversight committee, it cites a "usa today" report from march in which a trump organization spokesperson explains that the trump folks were going to put off making that donation. that donation of their foreign profits until the end of the calendar year.
house oversight committee now doesn't want to wait until the end of the calendar year. they say they want information on that by next month. steve riley is an investigative reporter for "usa today" who wrote that piece cited in the house oversight piece. steve riley was also part of the team of reporters who spent four months examining trump's real estate sales across the country exhaustively, which led to this really remarkable and ground-breaking piece today in this morning's paper. mr. riley, thank you for being here. appreciate your time tonight. >> good to be here. >> let me ask you first about the piece you've got today. you -- as far as i can tell, and you guys are very modest in terms of what it took to put this together but reading between the lines it seems like there was no unified public disclosure anywhere of the real estate for sale held by entities that are associated with the president, whether it's his trust or whether it's his various companies. did you build that list from scratch and track that all down
yourselves? >> exactly, we did. it was an exhaustive process. the background here is that president trump while campaigning had to disclose the business entities in which he held positions and in which he held an ownership stake, so we have the names of the companies associated with president trump's business empire. what he wasn't required to disclose and what we had to gather ourselves was the listing of real estate parcels which are owned by those business entities. so, it took months for my colleagues, nick, john kelly and i to essentially reference real estate data from new york to california and find all the parcels of real estate, which are owned by those companies. and as you pointed out, it's hundreds of -- hundreds of properties worth more than $250 million. and it's totally unprecedented and exceptional situation for
the president to be tied to that much active real estate. >> to that last point there, the newsworthiness here is really about the fact that these properties, by and large, are for rent, for sale right now, and simultaneously, the president is in a position to personally benefit from the sale or from rental income from these properties. so, if somebody did want to funnel money to the president as a bribe or funnel money to the president to get his attention for some reason, this is a pretty direct way to do that. >> exactly. many of these properties are on the market. they're kind of sold on a staggering basis. they're not all for sale right now but some are. it presents the opportunity anyone or any organization can set up a shell company, which would conceal their identities and make purchases. even if these purchases are made at market rate, it's still a transaction that still benefits
the president. if you remember president trump set up a trust. however, that's not a bond trust. it's a revokable trust. he's the sole beneficiary of that trust and he can withdraw funds at any time. it's kind of going through a maze, the funds, before it reaches the president. but it still has the same destination. >> and the thread tying together this reporting from you and your colleagues today and the reporting last month cited by the house oversight committee today, there doesn't seem to be any real protection on preventing the people who are giving the president money by this means, by preventing it from being foreign officials or foreign governments. obviously, there's no direct evidence that we've got the government of china or kazakhstan or someone funneling him money in this way, but it seems clear both from the hotel story and in this case there aren't protections to stop him from being influenced by foreign entities through these processes, right?
>> that's correct. last month we asked the trump organization about the mechanics of how they find out whether someone who's staying at a trump hotel is paying for that stay with foreign government money. we were told there was a policy. we were not allowed to see the policy. and that's kind of what the house oversight committee is currently looking at. hopefully that will be aired before the public once they get the documents. but the root of both situations is that foreign governments can conceal their identities or any foreign person can set up a shell company and do business with the president's companies essentially in secret from the american public. >> which is utterly, totally, completely unprecedented in american history. steve reilly, investigative reporter for "usa today." congratulations to you and your colleagues for having done this work and produced such a cogent pressey of what you found. it's really important work. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> support your local
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some interesting new reporting at cnn.com tonight. it's at the bottom of an almost unrelated other story, but at the very end of some other reporting about the trump/russia reporting cnn drops this, quote, intelligence analysts and fbi investigators who analyzed various strands of intelligence from human sources to electronic and financial records have found signs of possible collusion
between the trump campaign and russian officials during the russian attack on the united states election last year. but there is not enough evidence to show that crimes were committed, comma, u.s. officials say. okay. tell me more. as i say, cnn sort of dropped that in at the end of an unrelated report. they're not elaborating. it's obviously a big deal if true. both parts of it. the question of finding evidence of collusion is a big deal. the question of whether or not it is -- rises to the level of a prosecutable crime is also a big deal. we know that the fbi has a counterintelligence investigation under way into the attack on our election and potential trump campaign collusion with it, counterintelligence campaigns or investigations don't always result in criminal prosecutions. but a counterintelligence investigation that was successful at finding those kinds of links in this kind of a case would obviously have to have big political consequences even if nobody went to the
pokey. in terms of whether there's a criminal matter here, the fbi said that that is basically can an open question depending on what they find. now, the fbi itself makes recommendation as to whether o not the should be prosecution in criminal cases, but the people who ultimately decide if crimes were committed once the fbi has done the investigation, people who decide whether there's going to be a prosecution, that's officials at the u.s. department of justice. as we reported last night, the justice department official who has been leading, who has been overseeing the russia investigations, she's about to leave. mary mccord has informed people she works with at the justice department that she's out. by professional reputation, mary mccord is an extremely competent career civil service. 20-plus years at the justice department. she's been serving in this current role for national security since october. but again, she has now announced she's leaving. she says the time is right for her to move on to other
opportunities. now, as of now, the white house has not nominated anybody to replace her. but that is not only a super important job, that's a super sensitive job given what she's been overseeing and given the fact that attorney general jeff sessions himself is recused from overseeing any of those investigations. who they pick to replace mary mccord is going to be very, very important, to say the least. as a parenthetical matter, might i also ask the question, mary mccord, why are you leaving that job right now? is it really the right time to be moving on to other stuff? the other investigations into the trump/ruche issssia issue. today the house intelligence committee announced they are calling people in to testify as part of their investigation. on may 2nd they'll hear testimony behind closed doors from fbi director james comey and nsa director mike rogers. you recognize both of them. they both testified in the
opening hearing that the intelligence committee already held. they will bring them back now. that same committee will hear from them behind closed doors so they can talk about classified matters. also announced today, some time after that may 2nd hearing they'll schedule, they say, another open hearing. so we finally get to hear from sally yates, john brennan, former dni james clapper and former acting attorney general sally yates, the one who reportedly went to the white house with disturbing news about the national security adviser having communication with russian government officials that he was lying about. these three had been scheduled to testify in an open hearing last month before the hearing was abruptly canceled by the committee chairman, devin nunes. devin nunes has since recused himself from this investigation. we later learn the administration tried to dissuade sally yates from testifying publicly at that open hearing. as of today, she's been reinvited to testify. her lawyer last month said she
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that's not him. it's a hologram. the nation of france is holding round one of their presidential elections. eleven candidates. if nobody clears 50% of the vote, the top two will go forward. by american standards, this is a relatively fabulous field of candidates, including the hologram guy. the most candidate most likely to be in the headlines is the far right candidate, marine le pen. she's a far right candidate head of party by her anti-sa he mettic holocaust denying father. it is called the front national. for years it has been the fascist party of france. and although she made a big deal of kicking her own dad out of the party a few years ago, she still carries on some of his legacy, his anti-muslim, anti-immigrant stances. president trump made his endorsement in the french presidential race.
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♪ ♪ i'm dr. kelsey mcneely and some day you might be calling me an energy farmer. ♪ energy lives here. britain voted to leave the european union. then the united states elected donald trump. now france is about to elect a new president on sunday. one of the top candidates is a radical anti-immigrant, anti-muslim crew cading zeebo
phobe whose party was led until recently by a holocaust denier who is her dad. today donald trump was asked about that candidate, marine le pen. he called her the strongest on borders. she's strongest on what's been going on in france. not technically an endorsement, but it's an endorsement. phillip crowder, thank you very much for being here. i appreciate your time tonight. i know everybody is asking you who is going to win, who is going to win. let me ask you, what's the smartest way for americans to watch this? what should we watching for on sunday? >> you'll be watching for two weeks. you will be seeing 11 candidates going up across each other from the far left to the far right. and the two who get the largest amount of votes will go through to a run-off in two weeks's time. meaning there will be a lot of speculation for two weeks you will have to see. you will have to look out for how well marine le pen, the leader of the national front, does in this election and how
well manuel does he is the one who might stop this shift to the far right in so many elections we have seen the last few months. not just in europe but here in the united states. >> one of the interesting things about macron is that he does not represent a known political party. he's not just a centrist, he is an outside party to the political system. how does that affect his chances in. >> a better chance, in fact. established political parties are not doing so well. the two main parties, the socialist party, the right wing party who are not doing all too well in the polls right now. meaning in the run-up in two weeks's time, we might not see a candidate for the two main parties. the fact that macon and le pen
are outside of the establishment gives them a better chance to make it through to the runoff. a similarity to the u.s. presidential election. anti-establishment candidates look like they might make it through to the run-off. it could be the far left leader jean-luc melochon who you saw as a hologram just a few minutes ago. he could also make it through to that run-off. no one really knows exactly what will happen. so there will be a lot of speculation and that distinct possibility that france might elect a far right leader as its next president. >> yeah. in which case france pulling out of the eu would be the first things we would start talking about. it certainly would be the start of a very radical conversation. phillip crowder, thank you for being with us tonight. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> all right. that does it for us tonight in terms of watching the french elections on sunday. there's a bunch of stuff this weekend. there's the science march that will be happening in washington and around the country here in the united states.
the french election will be happening on sunday. and the continued legal wrangling around the arkansas execution scheduled, a back-to-back execution scheduled for monday night. this is the start of the weekend, but there's going to be a lot of things happening this weekend. no sleem for the wicked. msnbc live is next. good morning, everyone. i'm dara it's 7:00 a.m. in the east and 4:00 a.m. out west.. here is what's happening. moving toward 100, president trump hinting at big dhix to come in the next week, but dismissing that traditional water mark. caught on tape, the moments of terror in the heart of paris. new information on the attack and the man behind it. the teacher/student saga that ended in a northern california cabin. new details on how he alluded capture for so